S7 Ep1: EBONIE COTTON: Abuse, Depression, Body Dysmorphia & Finding Boxing | Her Untold Story

[00:00:00] I was kidnapped and tortured. And so I had never been in a relationship, even growing up in the UK, where I hadn't been hit by a male. And so unfortunately, I think until I moved there, until I experienced the severity of what happened, I'd kind of always been that girl that, oh well it happened, and that's not okay.

[00:00:21] S7 Akara, Fodor, The Money Bridges, absolute gratitude for that woman because she set the fucking standard. She was the first one to do what she did, you know. And I said that to her, my admiration for that woman has always been there. Thank you, because it was women like her that reminded me, don't be anyone but yourself.

[00:00:42] S7 Akara, Fodor, You Know, In This World, Everyone Has A Fucking Opinion, And You're Entitled To It. But a lot of what people say and a lot of those negative comments are reflections of their internal world. S7 Akara, Fodor, The Money Bridges, I Never Went In There To Lose. I Never Go Into Any For To Lose, You Know What I Mean? And it fucking broke me in a way that I felt like I'd let myself down if I had this huge opportunity in front of me and I just blew it. That's how I was looking at it, do you know what I mean? Like I was genuinely looking at it from the perspective of like, I fucking blew it.

[00:01:10] Like, like, I can't believe it. Like, I know I could have fucking performed better. X, Y, and Z. The reality of the situation was I had to find pride in what I'd done. And it just took me a long time to find that. You know, when I realised and came out of that place where I was like, stop talking to yourself so negatively. Like, you do not let any woman in your life speak negatively in front of you. Like, someone will say something to me and I'm like, don't talk about my friend like that.

[00:01:36] Yeah, bring your sparring stuff tomorrow. I thought, fuck it, make it. Went home, I was like, the next morning I was like, I'm meditating. I was like, visualised. I was like, I'm a fucking killer. Did I? Fuck. I got the shit kicked out of me. I got in there with the national champion. I remember she fucking wailed the shit out of me. And I loved it. Before we get into this, we're doing over a million engagements a month, but most of you aren't subscribed. If you enjoy the content, hit subscribe and follow us on socials. It'll make such a massive difference. Cheers.

[00:02:05] Welcome along, Ebony. Thanks for asking. That's a pleasure. It's a pleasure. Good morning, Ebony. Good morning. How are you? I'm very well, thank you. A little bit tired. My jet lag's got jet lag. I'm good. Yeah? Yeah. So if you're going to be jet lagged in Tarhue, there couldn't be any better place to be than St Andrews. Oh, 100%. 100% this is exactly what I needed. My social batteries look like IKEA. Can't wait. I'm really pumped. So yeah, so just what we normally do is just have a bit of an introduction to yourself.

[00:02:35] Okay. Just give us yourself in a couple of paragraphs and we can go from there. So my name is Ebony Cotton. I am a professional boxer. Wasn't always a professional boxer. Certified nightmare. Got a degree in being an absolute legend. Andrew Kik. Yes. Really great. Used to be a dancer. Professional boxer now. Yeah. Just all around here for a good time. Brilliant. So the tenuous link is originally from Riley Regis. Yeah. Which is just around the corner. Yeah.

[00:03:04] Tell us about life growing up in the black country. So even though like I did grow up in the black country, I was exposed to traveling like my whole life. So I danced from the age of four. I danced six days a week and I was so fortunate that I really did get to travel the world dancing. Growing up in the black country, look, there's a lot of we said from our experiences with people and different cultures all over the world. People are kind and we have a different kind of sense of humor. And I know that might sound a little bit wild, but people are just genuinely nice.

[00:03:32] It might be that we're not that respectfully that affluent or whatever that is. Being away for so long when I came home, that is one thing that I definitely noticed and was grateful for. I realized that it made me the person that I am today. You know, I still look around. I still hear some of the shit that people say and I'm like, oh yeah, I actually really enjoyed that too. So, but yeah, life in the black country was still is always okay. I think it doesn't matter where you are. It depends on your mindset and where you are, right? Do you still, do you ever slip into the nighty tongue?

[00:04:01] 100%. Just give me five minutes talking to someone from fucking home or my mum. Yeah. I find as we've been speaking to you, you kind of slip into it. Is it because does that Brummie accent kind of bring you on a little bit? It makes me want to slip into being Australian. More and more. No, I'm joking. We had Steve Bullom, the wife forward. And one of the first comments underneath was, but bully wore made in Brum though, weren't we? Wohit. Wohit, yeah.

[00:04:29] Once we got it translated into English, yeah, he wasn't made in Brum. That's the podcast. But yeah, so you've traveled since you were little Ollich dancing. Yeah. How far did you go with that? Yeah. Yeah. World level. Yeah. I competed at World Championships every year that I was able to. I qualified for Worlds and danced at Worlds every year. I left when I was 17 and moved to Greece. And I gave it up for the first time, yeah, since I was four.

[00:04:58] And then I went back to it and I did it until I moved back to Australia. Sorry, until I moved the first time to Australia. So yeah, my whole life really until I was, what, 19? Which is pretty wild, isn't it? Definitely grew up in a dancing bubble and that had its own fucking trauma. But no, like I was very grateful for it because what dancing taught me I've then transferred into boxing. But it's also been so useful throughout life in every capacity. Like that discipline is just the biggest trans-tourable skill that I have the utmost gratitude for.

[00:05:26] Even though growing up when you start hearing that puberty age of people start drinking and going out and boys get involved or whatever, like there was definitely moments in my head where I was like, fun, yeah. But I'm very grateful for it. It really made me here. Yeah. Is there a sort of way through a knocking over that? It's probably me on my foot. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Although it's just like, I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking. Why, do you want to join in in my head too? You're going to be the singer. I'm just thinking about the editing after. I'm going to buy a idea too because I'm going to be like, no.

[00:05:57] You're welcome. No, that's fine. That's fine. I can do it. I can, I'm good at editing. My teachers, if they're ever watching this, they'll be thinking, yes, she used to do that at school. That's exactly what you used to get told off for. Oh, mate, I'd never. Do you remember, you know when your parents go for parent theme and you think, oh God, here we go. And every single teacher used to be like, she's got so much ability. She just gets distracted and I'm like, no shit. You're like, what? Sorry, what was that? Yeah. Was she a good kid? Was she a nightmare? In what regards? Just in regards to school and stuff.

[00:06:26] I was always the kid that wasn't afraid of her voice. So like, I would get suspended at school. Sorry, mom. For sticking up for things that I did injustice. So I specifically remember one teacher. Fat con. No, sorry. Is that his name? Mr. Mr. No, she, I remember she shouted at me for something. Sorry, she shouted at someone else for something that I had done. And I was like, no, no, that was me. And it just went back and forth to the point that I ended up suspended. But not naughty.

[00:06:54] I was just, I love attention in case you can't tell. That was all my seeking. Doesn't come across. No, no. No, it's a little bit. So you talk about transferable skills. So boxing is footwork, isn't it? It's 90% footwork. So did you find that an easy transition when you started, kind of picked up a pair of gloves and started boxing? If you ask my coaches, I'd probably laugh and think, if I think that quick when she dance and she can't fucking move, I'm like bringing the ring. But I think it definitely helped.

[00:07:22] Of course, it helped those skills are something you develop and you work on. I don't think I was necessarily aware of it. But yeah, for sure. Yeah. For sure. So traveling then, so you lived in Greece, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia. You speak about Australia highly. Is it the place that's had the biggest impact on you and lifestyle wise? I think I spent such a formative part of my years in my 20s there. Like there was, look, Australia, definitely.

[00:07:51] I upgraded myself in Australia as many times as your iPhone upgrades. Do you know what I mean? My personality kept changing. It definitely taught me a lot. I didn't expect, it wasn't all fun in games. A lot happened to me in Australia that I am grateful for. Like I wouldn't recommend it for anyone else, but it's the biggest impact side of my life. Like I have two stepchildren there that I still see. I'm not with their dad anymore. Haven't been for over four years. And so like that relationship even, you know, like it changed who I am.

[00:08:19] It gave me a love and gifted me a purity that I'd never experienced in my life. And I was over there literally last week seeing them. And so yeah, it's definitely had the biggest impact on me regardless of where I've lived around the world. And you publicly spoke about the relationship that you had and the abusive relationship. So what inspired you and what kind of finally give you the strength to say, you know what, it's done?

[00:08:45] Because historically there's a lot of tabloids and stuff that women just don't leave. So what was the, what was your... So as much as I've spoken about it, I've probably, look, if you put my dating history on the table, it would be in the dictionary next to fucking retard or idiot. Do you know what I mean? Like my dating history has been, it's made me who I am. But there wasn't just like one person. There was unfortunately, I was in a couple of domestic relationships, violent relationships in Australia.

[00:09:14] One that was severely physical and one that was severely mental. And so the physical one, I'll give you a brief. I don't think I've ever spoken about it. I'll give you a brief. I was kidnapped and tortured. And so I had never been in a relationship, even growing up in the UK, where I hadn't been hit by a male. And so unfortunately, I think until I moved there, until I experienced the severity of what happened, I'd kind of always been that girl that, oh, well, it happened. And that's not okay.

[00:09:44] The second someone raises the hand, raises the voice, that's abuse. Leave. Like you deserve better than that, but you have to demand your worth. Yeah. So the second relationship, the one that really threw me, the one with the kid's dad, yes, there was physical abuse, but the mental abuse was just beyond comprehension. And the thing that made me leave is the truth is I have a responsibility, a duty to those children to be a role model that I promised them that I would be.

[00:10:12] You know, I didn't enter into their life with the intention of ever leaving, but I also entered into their life with the intention of setting the example, of showing them what they deserve, of, you know, carding them in the best way that I know how. And trust me, there's no fucking rule book. And I apologise for things that I've done wrong, but the second their dad laid hands on me, there was no way I was going back because of my aunt, who's my stepdaughter. She needs to know that that's not okay. Like, there's no excuse for it. There's no, oh, you might have changed.

[00:10:42] No, there isn't. Regardless of how much you love someone, regardless of how much you feel it might hurt you to walk away. Yes, that's a major worse. And that was it for me the second that happened. Regardless of what followed, that was it. There was no going back. Do you know what I mean? And that was the strength. I gave them the strength of her, even though that meant I didn't see them for a long time. So, yeah, that's it. That's deep, yeah. Did you get dark? In the show? No. No, no. It's as deep as you want to go into it. You can have anything.

[00:11:12] Yeah, it's... This then can be presented as a motivational thing because we don't have many women on, do we? We especially don't. The women that we have had on have all had a story to tell. Yeah. And a positive message. So, you know, if we can take a positive message from your kind of role model and your guidance for anyone. If there's a woman who watches this and thinks, you know what, I never thought of that. Yeah. If it's talked to one person, it's done a job, hasn't it? I think, unfortunately, we are...

[00:11:41] There's not enough education around it, and that is one thing that I will give credit to Australia for, is that I learned over there, but we're doing my time over there, that so much of what I... So many of the relationships that I've been in and so much of the things that I accepted weren't okay. We don't have to accept them. Like, and I don't know whether that's now changing as the world is going and social media is becoming such a part of these kids' lives. But for me in particular, I had no idea. Like, I'd never been in therapy.

[00:12:10] I didn't, you know, that meant I was psycho and I was going up the wall. Therapy was the best thing I ever did. I'm still in therapy. I'll always be in therapy. I might not use it every week or every month. But why would you not want to grow as a person? Why would you not want to learn and demand your worth? And to any woman out there who is even in a position where they are scared, where they fear financial control, physical abuse, whatever that is, the person you will ever do, even if for the interim, you feel like it's the worst and hardest thing in your life is step into your own power.

[00:12:41] Take back what you deserve because the way that love, to me, in my personal opinion, should feel is you receive what you put out. If you wouldn't say something to your best friend, or sorry, if the advice you would give to your best friend or your daughter or your son, the people that you love most in this world, is not the advice you're taking for yourself, then hun, start demanding it because you deserve to love yourself in the same way you love those people around you. And that's all. That's it. But also, my inbox is always open. I might not reply straight away, but it's open.

[00:13:11] I think you're right with social media as well. I think it's given people the strength that before things happened beyond closed doors, no one had an outlet, did they? Yeah. But now you see certain threads and message boards where someone mentions something that's happened to them and then everyone kind of goes, well, this is my story. Yeah. It gives them the kind of courage to open up themselves. 100%. Yeah. And I think there's unfortunately a stigma. There's like a, I don't, this is my opinion, by no means putting it on anyone else, but what I am grateful for Australia for is I was never taught to talk.

[00:13:41] I grew up in a very beautiful home, very loving home, but I had no understanding of how to talk about my feelings or emotions. Whereas over there, it was almost encouraged. Like, like I said, dude, therapy over here was like, I'm a gnar. I'm going to end up in the white fucking padded room. Do you know what I mean? Whereas over there, it's normal. Most everyone goes, how was therapy? Yeah. Great. How was your dad? Yeah. Therapy. How was, do you know? Why are people so scared? We all struggle in her own way. It's, it's not a problem. The biggest strength in the world is found in vulnerability.

[00:14:10] I think that's a very British thing. I think it's a British, exactly. It's a British uptight kind of. Don't talk about therapy. Don't talk about sex. Don't talk about how was your dad? She invited the wrong girl on. Yeah. How was your dad? It was all right. Yeah. How was your dad? It was all right. It's kind of, it's been the worst day in the world. We just go, it was all right. Yeah. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. So you use that as, I assume you use that, I don't assume, you just told us fuel for your aspirations. Yeah. For your, for your boxing. You mentioned boxing saved your life.

[00:14:39] Can you expand on kind of that? So when you, so cover the first bit, aspirations, yes. So for me, I made a promise to Roman and Maya that I would be the best version of me for them. And so for me, I know what they've been through. I know what I went through and have no idea what everyone else in the world goes to. But if I can show a person that you can become anything you choose, despite what happens to you, you can sit in that victim mentality or you can fucking use it.

[00:15:08] You can use it to change something. You can use it to give someone a voice. I was lucky enough that when I was going through depression, I had friends reach out and held my hand. If I can save another life, then my work's fucking done. If I can build a platform and I can serve to someone, yo, please hold on. I know it's dark. I've been there and I'll never pretend to understand anyone else's darkness because we don't, but we have our own versions of that. And so if I'm able to save one life by just saying, yo, in three years, I went from never

[00:15:38] boxing to turning pro to fighting two of the best fighters in the world. And I'm going to continue and I'm going to achieve what I said I'm going to achieve. Why can't you stop letting people dictate who you can and can't be? Stop letting the world make you feel this big because you're not. You're just not. So yeah, that's my motivation behind it. What was the next question? Boxing. So that's, so, so kind of for leather boxing. So I was living in Tasmania when everything happened with my ex and he kicked me out and blah, blah, blah.

[00:16:07] My family, wherever we were, it was for our engagement party. So flew back to Sydney, stayed with friends, slept with friends for three months. Don't remember anything. Disassociate in severe mental health. I was in therapy. Truthfully, don't remember three months of my life. Couldn't tell you a single thing. Before I left, I was doing CrossFit. So I've always been heavily involved in sports. And I went to say bye to everyone that was at the gym because, you know, you form your little gym family. And the coach there was like, please don't stop moving. Like, like I'm begging you, don't stop moving. So I never did.

[00:16:37] I always went to the gym. I always used the gym. And he had put me in contact with his friend, Luke Jackson, who is the Olympic boxer over in Australia. And I went out to Cudgy Beach and I had this session on the beach. I'd never put fucking gloves on. I'd never done anything. And for the first time, I felt something. And that might sound fierce. But to anyone that's been through depression, I felt something. I don't know what that something was, but it was a feeling.

[00:17:04] And when I'd been on that for so long, I'd been in that space for so long, it was something that I wanted to hold on to. For the first time, I had a little bit of light. And obviously, there are so many links out there. Like, it's proven. Physical exercise is medicine. You know, medicine is, sorry, movement is medicine. And then the more I looked into things, as in the more I now understand, there are so many links between martial arts specifically and mental health.

[00:17:29] And so, yeah, like I then carried on boxing and I was just doing it at a gym. Like, I just started doing it at a CrossFit gym. I'd moved out of my friends. I was starting to get my life together. And I just can't even explain to you the obsession that I found every time I walked out of there. The growth in me, that feeling of power, that feeling of reclaiming myself, that confidence that was growing. And all of a sudden, I was no longer wanting to die every day. I was no longer wanting to not wake up. It was more, fuck, I've got training.

[00:17:59] This is class. Like, and the more I did that, like, I remember I was just doing it with my CrossFit coach and he was like, what do you want to do with this? And I was like, I want to fight. I never fucking had a boxing fight in my life. He took me out to his boxing gym. Yeah, that was it. Was it for a moment you went, oh. The first bar I ever fucking had was with their national champion. Bear in mind, I had had one session at a boxing gym. And the coach came to me while I was skipping. I'll never forget. He was like, what do you want?

[00:18:28] And I was like, looked at him and he was like, who do you want to be? And I was like, I want to go all the way. And he went, bring your sparring stuff tomorrow. I thought, fuck it, make it. Went home. I was like, the next morning I'm meditating. I was like, visualized. And I was like, I'm a fucking killer. Did I fuck? I got the shit kicked out of me. I got in there with the national champion. I remember she fucking whiled the shit out of me. And I loved it. I absolutely loved it. That was, it's something that you cannot describe.

[00:18:55] Obviously, look, scientifically, the serotonin release is like, like the dopamine is like, like fucking drugs times 10. And yeah, like I just knew from that moment that was what I was going to do. It was like someone had literally gone, hey, here's your purpose. Go. Like, that's how it felt. Whereas some people, it might have been like. Yeah. And that's. I probably don't mind me saying it, but especially women, if you're getting punched in the face. So some women might be like, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Yeah. But you're like, oh yeah.

[00:19:25] It's like, do it again. No. And that's the thing about boxing. And that's the message that for me, I want to spread. So I run a women's class. But when you engage your boxing, you don't have to fight. You don't have to go there to get in the ring and do what I want to do and get the belts. You don't. But the community there, when you walk in a boxing gym, you can walk into a boxing gym all over the world. No ego. And you're instantly family. You know, we're all on the same playing field.

[00:19:52] Like I go away with like the other month before my last fight, we went to Tenerife and I was on camp with like Liam Davis, Tyler, Tony. And, you know, in what other sport in the world do you have, let's say, premiership players play with grass level? You don't. But in boxing, there's none of that. You know, that's it. We're a family. And I'm forever grateful for that environment. And to share that environment with anyone is honestly an honor. So yeah. That's class. Thank you. That's class.

[00:20:21] So you go from sparring a national champion. Yeah. And you say, okay, yeah, I still want to do this. So where does the kind of, where does the journey continue then into the fights that you've had? Which, so tell me about your first fight first, then we'll talk about my cannon bridges. So my first fight was over there in Australia. Comprehensive victory. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely loved it.

[00:20:50] Like, obviously I hadn't been, I've been, I've danced on stage in front of millions of people, in front of thousands of people all over the world. I've danced in front of the Queen when I was a little girl. So performing in front of a crowd as long as it had been away from that, almost loved it. Like, not shy. You can't tell. And so, yeah, like I just had this buzz and it just made me hungry. Same thing. I think then the way that it transitioned from me being over there fighting as an amateur to

[00:21:20] coming over here was I came back on holiday for the first time. And so I got stuck in Australia. I couldn't leave. If I'd have left, I would never have got back in my visa. There was a whole thing after I left the kid's dad and I had to fight to get my visa. So I hadn't been home and seen my friends or my brother for five years. My mum and dad had been out after COVID, but I hadn't seen anyone else. And so I had this visa. Sorry, my visa had finally been accepted. So I had this residency and so I could leave.

[00:21:48] And so when I came home, I came and obviously trained in a couple of boxing gyms over here and I was like, whoa, is this what? It just almost gave me another like firework up my ass. It was like, oh, wow, this is another level. Where did you train? Because were you back at? Yeah. So where I'm training now, so my coach Ryan, I used to try. The first gym I ever went to was underneath his gym. It was, it's a bodybuilder gym. It was the first place I ever went after I'd had anorexia when I was 18.

[00:22:17] And it was upstairs from there. So I was literally just going there to train just while I was on holiday. So I went in there and then I went to Mad Dogs, you know, Wayne. So then I was training with Wayne. And so, yeah, so in the end I decided if this was something I really wanted to do, it was time to fucking, yes, I was training every day. Yes, from the beginning, I've had a nutritionist who's incident in Australia. And yes, I'd started living that life as though I was already a professional athlete. I did that from the very second I decided, right, this is what I'm going to do.

[00:22:47] But I knew that I had to move home. I just knew that it was time. I also had, I was with a girl before I left Australia and that relationship ended badly. And it was just time for me to be around unconditional love. Again, it was time for me to heal and I needed to do that at home. So I came home, had another amateur flight, was in the developments and then got disqualified because I hadn't disclosed all my fights in Australia. So, yeah, and my manager, Errol Johnson, and my coach were like, we're just turning over.

[00:23:16] Like, we're not doing this, we're just turning over. So that was that. I had my first pro fight last June. And then, yeah, the Molly McCann fight came off and I was like, let's vote and go. This is yours. Let's go. How does that come up? Did you know who Molly McCann was? Did you know of that grand in MMA? I knew who she was. I like MMA. I've not really watched the UFC. I know of it. If it's on, I'll watch it. But I don't.

[00:23:45] It's not like I'm like, oh my God, there's a fight on. Everyone ran my house. Do you know what I mean? So I knew who she was. I knew the career that she'd had. I didn't care. I knew what I was capable of. And that was it. Let's go. No questions asked. Let's go. Yeah, so from that fight, obviously everyone knew Molly's background. And at the end of the fight, you've come out of it with a lot of esteem, haven't you? You know, your stock's gone, although you've lost. It wasn't that distant. Your stock's gone up there.

[00:24:16] So is that then, did you fight at that level and think, okay, yeah, this is my level and I can work from here? I'll be really honest with you. After the Molly fight, I went through another period of depression. Very different, not a period of where I was like. It was a period of self-doubt. It absolutely destroyed my confidence. And to anyone that's experienced a loss, I never had. I never had. And Molly was right. I remember fucking saying it to me in the face off. She was like, you know, I've lived it all. I've experienced a lot of blah, blah, blah.

[00:24:46] I never went in there to lose. I never got into anywhere to lose. You know what I mean? And it fucking broke me in a way that I felt like I'd let myself down. I had this huge opportunity in front of me and I just blew it. That's how I was looking at it. Do you know what I mean? Like, I was genuinely looking at it from the perspective of like, I fucking blew it. Like, I can't believe it. Like, I know I could have fucking performed better. X, Y, Z. The reality of the situation was I had to find pride in what I'd done. And it just took me a long time to find that.

[00:25:14] You know, when I realized and came out of that place where I was like, stop talking to yourself so negatively. Like, you do not let any woman in your life speak negatively in front of you. Like, someone will say something to me and I'm like, don't talk about my friend like that. Like, if someone says about, so why wasn't I taking my own advice? That loss has given me so much more fucking fire. Do you know what I mean? But I had to go through that to understand.

[00:25:42] I'm so proud of the person I am. I'm so proud of the journey that I've been on. The way that I was talking just wasn't going to benefit anyone. And then, obviously, if I'd have won that fight, the Ebony fight wouldn't have come up. And it did. And quite honestly, I'm very, very grateful for that because I believe that that's done more now for me and my profile than just having thought, oh, you thought, well, it can loss. See that. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Well, we've had Frankie, Gaby and Arden, Connarty and him. They all say the same thing, that you don't learn anything until you've got that loss.

[00:26:10] And the lessons you learn from that loss then, to get it under your belt, more or less, to be like, you've got to get a loss to kind of build upon that. Yeah. But everyone's kind of bigging you up off the back of that. But you weren't hearing any of that. You just kind of... Like, I had people send the most beautiful messages. And people, strangers. And, you know, like, my gratitude was still there. And I genuinely was so grateful for that support. And I still am. But it was... I wasn't hearing it. I was getting people send things for me to sign. I was getting stuff, you know, come through the post.

[00:26:40] And I just couldn't feel it. I just couldn't find that pride. It was just so... I was so disappointed and so mad at myself. But the reality of it was, like, girlfriend, who else has done what you've done? No one. Do you know what I mean? Who else has come from three years of boxing and done that? And taken two rounds of it? No one. But I just couldn't see it for so long. You're giving yourself a hard time. You're in a voice. Yeah. Whereas now, like, even after listening to Bridges, like, it was a very different experience. Like, I found pride in that fight. Not disappointment.

[00:27:10] Well, I think the whole world can agree that, you know, we're happy that fight happened. Because if, you know, even for non-boxing fans, we got the press conference, didn't we, and the Waynes. Elaborate. So this is where we turn into 14-year-old boys. And we start talking about the outfits. We start talking about OnlyFans. It's business-related. Yeah, it's business-related. Nothing is off limits. We start going like... Same. So it's all business-related, isn't it?

[00:27:35] So the OnlyFans, the outfit, your persona, as it plays out publicly. That must do wonders for your online business. So tell us how the OnlyFans came around. It's obviously a natural sink, isn't it? From what you do, from being a dancer, a performer. Yeah. Then boxing. And with Misfits and everything else that's kind of emerged recently. Everyone seems to have an OnlyFans, don't they? Yeah, yeah. So, how did that come about? So...

[00:28:05] You know, he's like... That's all he wants to say. Are you happy? Is it on your feet? Is it on your feet? It's not my feet. You hear a vibration that's not that funny. Try this in there. Let's do it. This is going to be an editing mark there. You're welcome. Let's talk about the outfit first. Go on. Let's talk about it. How did you get the tape off, Afton? I was fucking hungry. I ripped it off.

[00:28:34] I didn't give a fuck. Do you know? I literally went backstage home over the time. I went... That was it. I'm like, I want food. Nando's. Let's go. If I'm nervous about ripping off a band-aid or a tape, whatever it was, I probably shouldn't be fine with it. You're in the wrong business. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I know. It obviously caused the stir that you wanted it to cause, I should tell you. It did. It was almost like I knew what I was doing. Oh my God, this Blanco effect. It actually has a brain. Would you believe? Shakara Fodos, there were any bridges.

[00:29:04] Absolute gratitude for that woman because she set the fucking standard. She was the first one to do what she did, you know. And I said that to her. My admiration for that woman was... Has always been there. Thank you because it was women like her that reminded me, don't be anyone but yourself. You know, in this world, everyone has a fucking opinion and you're entitled to it. But a lot of what people say and a lot of those negative comments are reflections of our

[00:29:33] internal world. You know, I don't remember God giving me the right to judge another human and he certainly didn't give any other human the right to do that either. We don't have that power. However, we still do it. You have to be strong enough mentally to not allow that to affect you. So the weighing outfit, I wanted to wear a type. I looked fucking fabulous and I enjoyed it. Like, what's it? A marketing boy? A little bit, but it's just me. Like, I have multiple personalities and that's a lot of them. And I enjoyed that. And so the OnlyFans stuff.

[00:30:03] So people have always just looked at me and assumed that I've got one, right? I get it. I don't look this way for nothing. Like, oh, I'm going to play on what I look like. Cool. Great. And I hadn't for so many years and people would just be like, why? You don't give a fuck. I don't. I don't judge anyone for anything they do. It's your body. You own it. Like, everyone's going to have an opinion just because they may not have the confidence or the desire to do it doesn't mean that you shouldn't.

[00:30:30] Now, my OnlyFans, I don't do nudity or anything like that. And that's not because I don't want to. I give a fuck. Like, it's quite honestly because I don't ever want to take my potential future children's autonomy. Like, I can't decide what my future son or daughter may feel about that. Do you know what I mean? And so that's the only reason I don't. But I'm also like, do I like sex? Yeah. Do I enjoy having a great time? Yeah. What's the problem?

[00:30:57] I feel like OnlyFans has evolved as well, hasn't it? From being a sleazy kind of... Porn. Porn. Yeah. To business. Yeah. And you've probably seen some of the stats and some of the money that the OnlyFans themselves are making over the years. So from a business point of view, I think you've got it flaunted is a bit of a comment. A lot of professional boxers have got OnlyFans. Terry Harper's got one as well. Exactly. And do you think she's on there bending over doing...

[00:31:27] No, she's definitely not. But boxing is a really difficult sport. Like, I get messages sometimes. Like, obviously, I just went away and then I'm going away again. And I think people assume that you have this pool of money. Don't get me wrong. If you're sat here, you absolutely do. Where I'm sat, this is the brokest I've ever been in my life. Quite honestly, like, to pursue the dream that I'm pursuing is a financial hardship. I have made money. I've enjoyed life having money. This... I'm living off savings.

[00:31:57] Like, people probably assume that I get paid a heap. I don't. Like, in regards to funding this, it is all through sponsorship. It is all through... We don't get paid a lot to fight. Not where I'm fat anyway. And so, do I want to then sacrifice the opportunities that I'm getting by getting another job? No. I got into the fire service. I was supposed to be... I started as a firefighter. I started and then got the molly fight and went, what are you fucking doing? You know who you are. You know what you want to do. You've seen it. No. Chase it.

[00:32:27] But it doesn't mean I can't... It doesn't mean I can survive without doing something. And so, yeah, from a business opportunity, it allows for me to train. It allows for me to live my life as an athlete whilst also being able to fund that. So, yeah, that's where that came. And it goes back to your mum and dad wanting to be a banker, doesn't it? Yeah. Okay. There's a lot of people banking. Yeah. So far after that. After that walkout. But the... My job.

[00:32:51] It's either do that and kind of be that person where you're not that person, which a lot of people do do for financial security, or take the leap and be like, okay... I know the answer to this question before I'm even asking, but are you asked what other people think? Have you had any family issues with it? I've had no family issues. No. Because I'm very upfront about who I am and very upfront about what I do, but I'm also...

[00:33:19] My family know who I am as a person. Now, there's, like I said, there's a persona. There's a character that I'm sure everyone thinks that I am. Let them. People's judgment of me is none of my fucking business. I know I'm a good human being. Like, people's own internalised shit that they may not have worked through. I don't take offence, do you? Because at one point in my life, I always put me that girl too. Do you know what I mean? You have to grow. You have to put these things in people's heads, you know?

[00:33:49] And yeah, I've had judgment. Of course I have. The biggest judgment I had, and the only one that affected me was recently. I was over in Australia. I hadn't spoke to the kids' dad for four years. I'm best friends with their mom. We have a beautiful relationship. And I got an email from the cunt. And it was basically saying that I'm putting the children in danger. Because I have only friends. And that was the only time that I've ever gone, am I?

[00:34:18] Wait, am I? Because that's the only thing I actually give a fuck about, right? So anyway, my friend's like head of fucking sex crimes over there. So I was speaking to her and she was like, are you stupid? Like calm the fuck down. At what point? Like are you doing anything to hurt these children? Like there's also nothing on there that respectfully they don't see at the beach. Do you know what I mean? So if anything, my message to them is stop letting people tell you who you can and can't be. Do what you want. It's your life.

[00:34:47] Have you had any funky messages on there? Is there anything that's been a little bit out there? Oh yeah. I love a funky message. That's the weirder, the better. I'm a fucking weirdo. So send me whatever you want. Oh, you think it's great. I'm also a person that believes like, even sexually right, like how do you know what you like unless you're willing to try it? Why not? Try everything twice in life. First time, this could be too many variables. Second time, just to make sure. But no, yeah. If I tell you because of weirdos, like whatever. I don't judge anyone because that's not my job. So that's not my job.

[00:35:17] I'm going to go a little bit deep. Would you then say to your stepdaughter, go and do OnlyFans? Absolutely not. I would tell her she is free to do whatever she needs to do. However, every choice that she makes will have consequences. Every choice that she makes will have repercussions. If she comes to me and asks me one day at an age that's appropriate about it, then I'll talk to her about it and we can have that conversation. But she has a choice.

[00:35:46] I don't get to tell her who she can and can't be. It's not something they're even aware that I do at the moment. And do they ask social media? Yeah, absolutely. If they ask me about it, I will never lie. There's a power in being truthful. There's a power in honesty, right? And if she decided that she wanted to do something like that, that's on her. And will I talk her through it? Will I tell her the pros and cons? The same season. 100%. I love to. Because once you do that, there's no more in back.

[00:36:15] Once you decide to engage in that, people will have an opinion of you regardless. Regardless of what you're doing. I'm sure people have an opinion on Terry. Terry's probably not even in their own larger age. I don't know. I'm not on Terry's only fans, but I highly doubt that. But their people still judge her for it. But no, it's not something I push on anyone. I don't push anything onto anyone. That's my personal opinion of my life. And everyone has the freedom to make that choice of theirs.

[00:36:43] I think it says more about women's boxing and the money involved, doesn't it? That so many boxers find the need to do this, even at the top of Terry Harper's level, even at that level. In comparison to men's boxing, money-wise. Yeah. The disparity. That's exactly what it is, right? If you start looking at the reality of you've got Sugar Neeks on there, you've got who's world champion. Hang on a minute.

[00:37:13] You're telling me that she's at this level, she's under MVP, and she's still doing it. There's not that many men in comparison. I know Echo Esserman does it as well. Like, it's one of their sponsored athletes. But, like, why? If we were getting the money that the world probably thinks that we're getting, we probably wouldn't be. But we also have to train two, three times a day, every day, to then go and try and work a nine-to-five or whatever that is. It's physically sometimes impossible.

[00:37:41] You know, you find yourself travelling all over the world. The fire service, the reason I went for that is because you have two days, two nights. You can train the rest, four days off. You can train the rest of the time. You also get an hour a day to train at work. Amazing. That fits me. I can train once. I can do my run at work or there's a bag at work in every station if I'm not. But the 12 weeks to get to that point is horrific. Oh, that is nine-to-five. And again, I was willing to do that. But the reality of it is this is my dream.

[00:38:10] I don't have a big window. I have a very short window. Am I sacrificing monetary gain massively? Am I sacrificing the opportunity to maybe have a family? Absolutely. But I've chosen to do that. That's my choice. But I still need to live. So people can pass judgment as much as they want. They're not in my shoes. And I think that's the message for me is stop judging people when you don't know what they're walking in. So off the back then of the fight with Ebony,

[00:38:39] again, your stock's risen. What's the plan in regards to promotion? How do you move on to that next level then of representation at that level? So I guess for me, I set goals every new year. I have this little thing that I do where I set goals. I write them down and I lock them around in the box. I burn off energies that I don't want to take forward. And I go into the new year with these goals. At the beginning of the year, I told everyone, well, I told myself, I'm going to get a belt this year. So that's what I'm going to do. That's my next plan. That's what I'm pushing now.

[00:39:09] I want to fire for a belt. And I want to continue to do that. So yeah, I'll have a belt by the end of this year. What is that? So is that Midland? Yeah, so the first one will be Midlands. And then hopefully we can start fighting for some bigger ones. And so hopefully that will be September as long as things go to plan. Excellent. Excellent. Who are you fighting under at the moment then? What's the- BCB. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. BCB. So Errol Johnson. Yeah. And yeah, they've been amazing. I can't say, you know, they really are incredible.

[00:39:38] But I will, what I want to do. I want to get signed under one of the big promotions. Of course I do. Who wouldn't? Will I do it? Yeah, absolutely. But I'm going for it. Like, there's nothing going to stand in my way. So rules and regulations was with the BCB then. Misfits come in and they say, we've got a big kind of something's going on that. Is there flex to go and do bits that you want to do yourself? Or is it kind of, this is the- My understanding of it is it's nothing to do with my management.

[00:40:07] It's to do with the British Board of Boxing Control. So once you, my understanding, I could be completely wrong here. Pick one. Yeah, is once you cross over your professional license, you can't go down that route. Doesn't mean I wouldn't go into Misfits. I would. But right now, I want to pursue a professional route. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? But yeah, absolutely. Like, I went and spar Jade. Jade, she's lovely before her last fight. Is she what I was? That was awesome. What a legend. Lucky out.

[00:40:38] And she said to me, like, why don't you do Misfits? And I was like, I've definitely thought about it. Like, I'd be in a much better financial position doing that than this. But right now, this is the route that I've chosen. If it comes up, if they offer me something, we'll talk. Yeah, because we had Carla Jade on, didn't we? I've just met Carla too. She's beautiful. Yeah. So we're kind of similar conversation, but she's that way. Yeah, yeah. So they're the two avenues, aren't they? But you want belts. You want glory. Not glory.

[00:41:09] I want... Definitely not glory. I want belts. I want a platform. I want to box. I want to get better as a boxer. I want to show everyone that anything is possible. And I think, unfortunately, there is still this stigma around Misfits at the moment, certainly not from my perspective. But in regards to building what I'm trying to and what I'm trying to achieve, right now, the professional route is more viable for me personally.

[00:41:37] But you're saying a lot about Sparrowman Jai Jones. Obviously, she's Olympic medalist. She's highly esteemed in combat sports. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:42:11] Really good. He's an absolute legend. What a funny character. Yeah. Hergovich and him are on two very different trajectories, aren't they? And that as a mismatch wasn't the best, was it? I think the other night that, you know, Dave himself, I think on an Instagram post, said that, you know, he's probably one of the most humble people than Barry Ones. People either kill us at himself. So it's not a secret. But yeah, we all saw it. Do you know what I mean? And that happens. I mean, to be honest, what was I brought in for Molly's fight for? The game that down?

[00:42:41] I was? Yeah. No, I brought him for. So do you look at that nail like that and go, well, that didn't happen. That's what they wanted. That's why I got brought in. Sacrificial lamb. You weren't. You weren't. You're boxed. It's a points decision against someone like that. So I look at it and I think, fuck yeah. Like, I'm proud of you. Let's go again. Let's work on that. You think she thought she was going to knock you out as well? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think she said it, didn't she? Yeah, I think so.

[00:43:10] Pretty sure she said it and I laughed in her voice. Probably didn't know what to say. I was probably shitting myself. I said, don't fucking tell anyone. Yeah. I'm going to do it to the best of us. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'll do it to you. Yeah. So, yeah, I think I look at it and I go, what can I learn from that to take forward? Because next time I'm the underdog, I'll make sure that I'm not. Yeah. Wicked. You like the side of it.

[00:43:40] You like the trash talk. The in your face. I feel like you do. I feel like just, yeah. That was Carla's thing, right? She's the nicest person in the world. She fucking loves trash talk. Oh, my God. There's on that one. She sat there and she's just the nicest person in the world. And then you watch them then. Because she said that's the persona she's got to push out. Yeah. And then, yeah, that's going to be... That would be the next good guy. It's like, I was sitting out. I didn't want to slap the other one. Yeah. And she said something about Carla being a single mom. You kids and the only friends. Where's your baby? Yeah. Go and eat some tacos or something. It went a little bit toxic.

[00:44:10] Went a little bit into it. So, blokes is like, I'm going to smash you back. Like, you're talking about parents. We were like, whoa. It was like... And because we'd had her on as well, I was like, leave alone. Yeah. Leave, leave. I'm pretty sure she was actually doing the same when people were going at me. On the bridges when I was dressed in a fucking type. She was like, someone said something to her on my profile. She was like, fuck, I said when he's feeding. Come and have a go with me. And I was like, thanks, babe. Appreciate you. She's beautiful.

[00:44:39] The trash talk, it is what it is. Will I go in there with the intention of trash talking someone? No, but I'm virtually not fucking afraid to do it. You know? Do I have a tongue? Very nasty. We all can. Do I want to be that person? No. Like you say, it's panto sometimes, isn't it? And it's like... It's business. Yeah. It's the same as boxing, isn't it? Boxing, essentially, is WWF, isn't it? And you build it up. You can't have a good guy on the back. Yeah. Good lady and a bad lady. Yeah. Bad person. It's kind of...

[00:45:08] The whole peaky promotions as well. Then if you've seen like Ginge from Shireland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Shadow Boxer and stuff. Brilliant. Brilliant because it's like a soap opera and they sold tickets off the back of it and the fight wasn't quite what they expected, but they've sold tickets and people have had a good time. So it's part of that, isn't it? Social media is the biggest marketing tool in the world right now, right? And views are trap money. Yeah. Well, you look at Ronda Rousey and the other novels.

[00:45:38] It's 17 seconds worth $2 million. Exactly. Do you know what I mean? Like, so if there's something that you need to do, like fucking do it. But also there is an element in it for me personally where like, boxing is a mind game. If you can get on someone's edge, you've already fucking won the battle. You have to have like an iron mind when you step into that ring and step into that environment. You can't allow someone else's comments to fucking penetrate.

[00:46:05] You can't because if you do, it's game over already. And part of it is also that, yeah. Part of it is also that, you know, it's mental warfare. And, yeah, then I guess it's funny at the same time. Like, if someone says something to me, I'm going back. I think the first experience of that was with Molly. And did I, was I a little bit like thrown? Yeah, because I'm, I'm not that person. Like, I'm not going to go up to my bed and be like, you're a cunt. Unless I'm drunk. I'm joking. You might be drunk.

[00:46:34] I don't drink anyway. Try the drink too much just before the wine. Yeah, exactly. Just, it's heavy, doesn't it? Yeah. Yeah. Quickest way to cut white. But yeah, it is fun. How do you find that? How do you find that? Because obviously you mentioned when you were younger, you had issues with anorexia. It did. Yeah, yeah. How does that translate now to, what, like being kind of asking too much about whites and things as a gentleman. How far are you off?

[00:47:03] You kind of walk around every day trying to wait to fight by. So obviously I've dropped down to super fly. So I probably walk around about 57, max 58. So what's that? Like six kilos over. And to be honest, yeah, like this might sound wild to anyone that has gone through an eating disorder. The eating disorder thing when I was 18, there were so many things that like led to that, right?

[00:47:32] Like looking back at the dancing, I'm like, oh, well, that makes sense from the age of four where I was put in front of a mirror and compared to the girl next to me. And I had to look at that and when I stepped on stage and I was dressed in fake tan and full face and makeup from that age and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it carries with you regardless of whether you're anorexic or, you know, that narrative, whatever that might be. There are stages in your life, admittedly still me, where you look at yourself and that just more fear is still there. Boxing also healed back for me.

[00:48:01] And I'm not saying that we don't have, boxers don't have disorder to eat. You tell me every boxer, we all say the same thing after this fight. I am not, I am not putting on this way. Bullshit. We always do. So yeah, there's disorder to eat. But boxing for me quite did the opposite where it gave me, for the first time ever, wasn't hyper-fixating on what I looked like. Couldn't give a shit. The only thing I care about is performance. That's new. That's awesome for me.

[00:48:29] So yeah, boxing saved me in so many euphemies. It's like having a nutritionist as well. You'd know what you're eating and what it's producing and the effects. Boxing something there. I have all my friends, like they're not athletes and I have conversations with them and it's just a lack of education. It's just a lack of education around food. I don't know about you guys, but like when I grew up, even though I was an athlete, we'll say like, I didn't know I was back then, but I was from a very young age.

[00:48:56] I had no understanding of food and what that did and how that like fueled the body. But I also had no understanding of the effects that would have on like your hair growth, your nails, shit like that, like puberty. I had no understanding of that. Like, so I just think it's a lack of understanding for the world. And so even if as a black woman, I can help you understand that one. Ask, just ask. There's nothing wrong with asking. Don't be embarrassed. If you don't know what you don't know, but yeah. So the white coat, I enjoy.

[00:49:25] I really enjoy a white coat. That sounds wild because it gives me an opportunity to, at another level, see how strong I am. I'm in charge of everything. My mind doesn't control me. I control it. And so when I sit down and I'm fucking starving, I do. And I don't choose not to eat something. Yeah. It's just another example for me. Yo, good for you. You win. You win. And that's what training is for me.

[00:49:53] It's every day reminding myself that I'm in charge, not the fucking demons. That's classic. Say for everyone. Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. So, can I say the quick fire? Oh God. Let's quick fire it. Oh God. Before we enter, I just wanted to ask you off there. Yeah. So you want the belts? Yeah. So who's the dream? You look and you go, right, you. You and me. So for this belt, for the middle of sight or Mia Holland. Tell them you're coming for it. I assume someone has.

[00:50:23] I'm pretty sure she probably knows. I know the British forward of boxing. I mentioned it to coach and management and that's all we've been spoken about. So, yeah. Mia is one of my really good friends. We spar all the time. But when it comes to boxing and when it comes to both of us achieving our dreams, we've got a job to do. She wants it just as much as I do. Is it quite a small pool that you will fight and spar quite a lot with people that you're going to be fighting? Unfortunately so, as a female, which is why when a fight comes up, like obviously I went

[00:50:51] up two weight classes to fight Molly and I went up a weight class to fight Ebony. I'll take it, you think? Like you don't know. You went up two weight classes to fight Molly? Yeah. Yeah. So I fought a super band center to fight Molly, but I'm super fly. But like, I don't know. But even that, do you know what I mean? You took that long to kind of go, yeah, you know, I take a bit of pride in my done now. That's how many of Khan getting his head taken up. Canelo? Never been the same boxer as well. But yeah, like there is a small pool. So you take what fucking comes, the phone rings.

[00:51:21] An opportunity presents itself. You have three options. You stay the same. You stay where the fuck you are. You take it and it doesn't work out. Guess what? Take some pride that you have the bollocks to try or you take it and it changes your life. So yeah, a small pool. We do what we can. We spar who we can. We travel a lot of sparring. Like I was sparring before the Ebony Fire sparring, Ashley, who fought Molly last. So we were going to Wales. She was coming down from Wales. Yeah, you just take what you can. You do what you can.

[00:51:48] When I get to go out to Australia, this is the first time I didn't go to Sydney and see all my friends. I just went to see the kids. But usually I would go and like still spar the girls over there and you take what you can. And again, it's just as simple as, all right. And then we'll fight in kind of, okay, distance. Yeah. Bosh. I mean, you've probably seen it with the women. You literally smack talk each other. You can hate each other. You fight. And then it's like, oh, they pay for what? Yeah. Can we get coffee? Yeah. So that's just how it is. It'll be the same.

[00:52:17] I mean, Mia and I, there's zero, zero. Malice. None. But I'm going to take your head off. Absolutely. I'm going to take that belt. Yeah, it's mine. After that, love you. Do you want to kick off me? I'm decent. Beautiful human. But in that ring now. We have a job to do. It's my job. My job story. And I'm done. I love it. I love that. So what is the one thing people always get wrong about you?

[00:52:46] I hear a lot for my whole life. Oh, you know what I expected? Are you shit? And that means you look like a stuck-up cunt. I'm not. I'm really not. I'm pretty nice. I get it. I get the stereotypes. I get the editors of the stereotypes. I also understand marketing. That's okay. Yeah. We've had that a few times, haven't we? Someone said, who's the last person? See the way around with him? They go, I assumed you'd be a really nice guy. But you mean? Yeah. I know. I thought about when I walked in. I know. You messaged me and you were really kind.

[00:53:16] Oh, yeah. Off camera. Oh, I'm horrible. Are you joking? You brought me a coffee? Thanks. Thanks, Gregs. Gregs. Yeah, thank you, Gregs. Who's the dream opponent? If you was to pick one out. Ooh. It could be, professionally, it could be just someone you want to punch in the face. Let me get my list out. You've seen Evan or Mighty Wednesday. That's me right now. I'm joking. Um, correct question. There are people that I want to fight. There are people that I'm not ready to fight. People that I would get my absolute ass under to.

[00:53:46] Um, God. So let's put ourselves in a category where you go, do you know what you're trying to, you don't, it's hypothetical. So even just, you know, in three years' time, maybe you'll be... As in you would love to share a ringer. Yeah. Um, one of my favourite fighters is Ellie Scottney. I think she is incredible. I have the utmost respect for that girl. Like, I watch her perform and I'm like, wow. Like, she looks effortless. She looks like she's almost on ice when she's, when she's fighting right. And so to share the ring with her, if I get to that fucking stage, like, you know what?

[00:54:16] I'm proud of me. And she's incredible. I would love, I would love the honour of seeing her. Well, best advice you've ever received that's like... There. Follow your intuition. Listen. It's there for a reason. It really is. You know, there's so many times in my life where, like, gut feeling, you know, and you gut don't know. We've all felt it. You choose to ignore it because X, Y, Z, he, her, she tells you otherwise.

[00:54:46] You always know. Or at least I have. So yeah, follow your intuition. Brilliant. And then finally, what advice would you give to someone in the black country, in Birmingham, that's aspiring, aspiring to see the world, aspiring, kind of stuck in a rut maybe, or wanting to get into boxing? Kind of what's your overall advice? Life is short. Tomorrow is never promised.

[00:55:15] Be where your feet are. You know, the world has taught me and travelling has taught me that there is so much more than what we are aware of. There's, you know, we only know what we know. It's scary. But do you know what's scarier? Never fucking fighting out. Never trying. And so anyone who needs advice, anyone who is looking to get into training, looking to travel, ask the questions of someone who has. Ask me. It might just change your life.

[00:55:45] It might just completely throw you off course. And if it doesn't, yes, but this is still home. You can come back. You didn't fuck up. You tried. Be brave. Be bold in the pursuit of whatever sets your soul on fire. Yeah. I think we can have like a special Myding Brumoni fans code for like one month. If you like this video,

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